The next day, Zhu Xu finished drinking the soup, put on his regular clothes, and sat in the lobby of Xiangyang Mansion.

Below are chairs, from left to right, Qian Longxi, Huguang Political Consultative Conference and a group of prefects, are all here.

Zhu Xu was high above, and a group of people sat under uneasy, which clearly meant "interrogation".

Zhu Xu's face was a little pale and his whole body was chilling. He picked up the chicken soup beside him, took a sip, and smiled and said, "Today we don't care about political affairs, we will talk about some old things."

A group of people became more and more uneasy, and scholars liked to do indirect things. The emperor obviously wanted to use the past to mock the present and attack them.

Cao Huachun and Wang Yizhou stood on both sides without looking sideways.

Zhu Xu looked around and the expressions of these people were very solemn, as if they were about to go to the guillotine. He laughed in his heart and said, "Let's talk about Zhang Taiyue and Hai Gangfeng today."

Zhang Taiyue is Zhang Juzheng, and Haigangfeng is Hai Rui.

Zhang Juzheng was the chief minister of the beginning of Wanli. Hai Rui had been through four dynasties. Each of them was famous and had a great influence on the Ming Dynasty. Even now, the two were often mentioned.

They have many stories, the most important thing is that when Zhang Juzheng was in office, Hai Rui was unemployed and could not recover until Zhang Juzheng died. He was already over seventy at that time.

Zhang Juzheng has been rehabilitated. Now many people think this is a major stain on Zhang Juzheng, which has led to a capable minister who has been left outside. Some people say that Zhang Juzheng is afraid of Hai Rui's integrity and deliberately abandons it.

In short, there are many rumors and there are all arguments.

These two of them are topics that the Ming Dynasty cannot bypass. Zhang Juzheng's influence is still there, and Hai Rui's reputation is even more high, so I can only look up to it.

The emperor Zhu Xu suddenly mentioned these two people, and Qian Longxi and others were stunned.

Zhu Xu put his hands on the table and looked at everyone and said, "When I was in the residence, I often heard Zhang Taiyue's achievements and Hai Rui's deeds. Now, from my perspective, I will talk about this."

The emperor evaluated a person that he wanted to enter the history books. A group of people pricked up their ears and did not dare to take it lightly.

"Let's talk about Zhang Taiyue first,"

Zhu Xu said: "Zhang Taiyue, the 'a master of prime minister', is suitable for him, 'respecting sovereignty, secting officials, believing in rewards and punishments, and one order', I like it very much. I found many things in the 'new policy' from here. Everyone knows about Zhang Taiyue, and I will not say much more. I will talk about Haigangfeng."

"In his later years, he wrote a letter to Emperor Shenzong, saying that 'the law of Taizu and the law of 30 years of Hongwu's law was used to restore the punishment during the Taizu period, but it was not implemented in the end because the cabinet ministers thought that he was 'stagnant and did not understand the current affairs', which means that Hai Rui was too rigid and did not understand the current affairs. I think this judgment was correct."

"He wrote to Zhang Taiyue, and Zhang Taiyue replied, 'The three-foot method has not been implemented for a long time. The Duke suddenly corrected the rope and ink, and it is suitable for him to be unable to bear it'. He also said, 'Your loyal and bright heart and holds the integrity of bones and bones, and the world believes in it. However, if you examine the politics, you will not understand the rules. You should only be in charge of elegance and customs, and you should not be troubled by civil affairs.'..."

"The meaning is very simple. Hai Rui does not understand government affairs, he only knows how to repeat Taizu's method, and has no flexibility at all. He has never done anything. He only needs to value virtue, and he does not need to care about government affairs..."

Zhu Xu did not make a long statement, but suddenly held the conversation and looked at Qian Longxi and said, "Governor Qian, let's talk about it, let's only discuss it, there is no need to avoid anything."

Qian Longxi was stunned, stood up and raised his hand, thinking for a moment, "Go back to the emperor, I think that Hai Gangfeng is too strong and has done everything too quickly and has no trouble. Finally, he gave up halfway, accomplished nothing, was futile, and the people were hurt by money, and he had a reputation but no real achievements."

Zhu Xu narrowed his eyes. Qian Longxi said something in disguise. He smiled slightly and said, "I said it right. He also said 'the old country's new fate', 'If you are new every day, you will be new every day, and you will be new again', why will you not change your whole life?"

This is actually a Confucian problem. Being conservative and stubborn are unchanging, it has become a major trend.

On the one hand, we demand respect for our ancestors, not to make false arguments or change, and we also demand new changes. What should we do? What is the words of the saints not wrong?

Qian Longxi's expression was still. This was not a communication between ordinary friends, but a report from the monarch and minister. If it was not right, there would be serious consequences. He could not comment on the country like Zhang Juzheng. It took him a while to say: "Emperor, Hai Rui's purity is not the purity of the Ming Dynasty, Hai Rui's purity is not the purity of the Ming Dynasty, and Hai Rui's purity is not the purity of the Ming Dynasty. Hai Rui is not the blessing of our purity of the Ming Dynasty, so we should not proclaim it."

Qian Longxi was also cunning and couldn't answer the question correctly, but he even explained something.

Zhu Xu could not let him run away, and said, "Is it wrong for him to learn from the 'Taizu method'?"

Hai Rui was determined to restore Zhu Yuanzhang's harsh means of governing officials. From the beginning to the death, he was unsuccessful. After four dynasties, emperors of all dynasties still valued him very much.

Qian Longxi didn’t know how to answer, “Blame the ancestors” is a serious crime, and this “major sin” is moral. Once established, it will be famous for all eternity!

"Back to the Emperor,"

At this time, Qian Longxi stood up behind him and said, "I think it's right, the mistake is Hai Rui, and Taizu's method is also right, and the mistake is Hai Rui borrows it to make things happen with his own likes and dislikes. Even if he has a false reputation, it will be in vain."

What we are talking about here is that Hai Rui’s judgment of the case, only taking “good and evil” as the basis, and not caring about other things. It seems fair, but it is actually confused.

This is a good truth. Zhu Xu smiled and said, "The cabinet at that time seized his memorials, hindered his promotion, and even repeatedly suppressed him. Is this suppressing the 'Taizu's Law'? What should I do if I don't understand the current affairs?"

"Unclear current affairs" clearly requires officials to be flexible and adapt to new changes, and not to stick to ancient laws.

Qian Longxi and his participation in politics just now were speechless. This was a contradictory thing. Everyone knows that the "ancestral method" has long become an unchangeable habit.

The two of them didn't say anything, and suddenly a prefect stood up and raised his hand and said, "Emperor, I think this is Hai Ruikong's reputation but no achievements, and his past is too straightforward and he is in chaos and inaction, so he is unwilling to use him."

This sentence seems to make sense, but in fact it completely deviates from the topic. Zhu Xu is talking about the reason, this guy is talking about the result, it is completely incompatible, and it can even be said to be sophistry!

Zhu Xu took another sip with the chicken soup, felt a little more relaxed, and said slowly: "Then, it is no longer feasible to stick to the ancient methods, what should we do?" What Zhu Xu wanted to say was flexibility. He not only wanted to correct the name of the "new policy", but also used this to impact the stubborn Confucian thoughts and establish the status of "flexible".

The emperor's words are already very naked. If it is naked, the ancient method is not feasible. Naturally, it is necessary to change it, and use the "present method".

Next, there are Wang Anshi’s three sentences: “The changes of heaven are not worth fearing, the ancestors are not worth law, and people’s words are not worth care.”

These three sentences have always been the focus of Confucian criticism. From Sima Guang and others to the Ming Dynasty, Confucianism avoided talking about these three sentences because they were not in line with the spirit of Confucianism and the idea of ​​governing the country, and were extremely "rebellious".

After Zhu Xu said this, everyone who could refute a few words just now stopped talking. No matter what he said at this time, he would bear the "historical responsibility".

"Sir Qian, say it." Zhu Xu directly named him.

Qian Longxi frowned. The ancient method was not advisable, so he naturally had to use the current method. It was just that it was easy to say and the influence was also considered. Especially since the emperor obviously had strong intentions, how dare he speak easily?

"I think the 'new policy' is right." Qian Longxi said, this is equivalent to a disguised recognition that 'flexibility' is right.

Zhu Xu didn't make things difficult for him. He looked around the people in the lobby. No one dared to meet his eyes. He lowered his head and did not dare to speak.

‘The changes of heaven are not worth fearing, the ancestors are not worth law, and people are not worth care for the words.’ You can know this, but you must not say it!

Zhu Xu looked around, sat upright, laughed, and said, "Haigangfeng is a man who sticks to ancient methods. He has accomplished nothing in his life. Even in his later years, he still yelled to restore Taizu's method, without any reflection. Zhang Taiyue, who learned from Taizu, knew very clearly that the difference between ancient methods and the present is different from the current situation, handled government affairs according to actual conditions, and made some changes. Although his changes were very limited, it also brought a lot of changes to my Ming Dynasty, and blessings have been extended to this day. In government affairs, land system, and administration, I have given me a lot of reference. If it were not for him, I would not dare to start the "new policy"..."

Qian Longxi knew very well that the emperor was defining certain things, defending the "New Deal", clearing some obstacles, and silently.

If you are an ordinary person, a scholar, or a great scholar, you will be criticized by all the people of the world for various reasons, but what you are in front of you is Emperor Jing Zheng, who dares?

An insulator not far away quietly recorded every word that Zhu Xu said.

Zhu Xu said a lot, and finally summarized: "People today should not blindly follow the saints when learning ancient times. They should carefully distinguish which ones are suitable for the present and which ones are out of date. Taking the essence and removing the dross are our requirements for studying. They can also be extended to government affairs. They should not copy and draw the tricks. They should do things according to the actual situation, carefully analyze the problems, find new ways to deal with things, and cannot blindly ask the ancients..."

Zhu Xu would cough from time to time, sweat came out of his face, cold all over, and felt a little unable to hold on, so he stopped talking and said, "I'll say so much today. After I go back, I will think carefully and write a memorial for me. I will publish it in the newspaper for you. If I can't write it well, you can move now. Remember to wear a hat when you go out..."

Qian Longxi and others felt uncomfortable, and they still had to get up and raise their hands and say, "Abide by the order."

"Well, go all out." Zhu Xu waved his hand.

"I'm asking for my leave." A group of people slowly retreated.

Cao Huachun had already seen it, so he hurried forward and whispered: "Your Majesty, go back."

Zhu Xu nodded and said, "I can't leave today. Let Tang Yize take cover and not be discovered."

"Yes." Cao Huachun came over and helped Zhu Xu back to the backyard.
Chapter completed!